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Re: The inverted Cross. A lesson. « Reply #62 on Mar 19, 2009, 1:01pm »
Whilst this maybe be factually correct you are missing a very important couple of points ... interpretation and usage.
The upside-down cross symbol (interveter) has often become associated with Satanism and anti-religious attitudes, as it is considered to represent the opposite of Christianity by inverting its primary symbol, the Latin Cross.
As a result, this symbol has become very popular within anti-religion groups and among some black metal musicians.
This is taking something unto oneself and finding use for it to your own ends is an extremely powerful tool, which as you mention, is to most religious folks' detriment as they are ignorant of their own kind.
The typical and acknowledged usage by musicians, anti-religious peoples and independants, of the inverter is rejection of organised religion as a whole, not just judaism or christianity.
One should never mock another for their displaying of symbolism without allowing a little artistic lattitude.
It is correct that the inverted cross is a symbol of St.Peter and I am sure is well known amongst Satanists. I think that everyone seems to forget the most basic point of employing this symbol on ones person; the fact of its mockery. When you see a kid walking down the street with a slipknot shirt on and a giant inverted cross around his neck, you think...ehhhh what a poser, and he doesn't even know he is wearing a christian symbol. This would be a person who probably has no idea what Satanism is, or the origin of symbols. For all of you who employ a pentagram, you are also wearing a symbol of xianity, for the pentagram (before condemned by xians and catholics) was used to represent the 5 wounds of "christ". Now, when this symbol is inverted it represents "evil".
So in all actuality you could in fact say that whether or not some cunt named peter was crucified upside down on a cross or not, for a Satanist to employ the inverted cross with or without the bastard son of nazarene on it, it is a true mockery of all things holy. The "peter" cross represents peters death under his belief that he felt not worthy and ashamed; so he was crucified upside down after begging his "murderers" to do so.. Very few xians look at this symbol anymore as being a xian symbol because it has been "tarnished" by Satanists. Wearing the inverted crucifix with the bastard on it is also equally unholy, however being a Satanist (not Laveyan), I prefer not to look down to a false savior looking up at me every day. Whether or not this is more "brutal" or more "satanic" than a regular inverted cross is childish. When employed under the terms of true Satanism, both symbols are equally mocked, however you could say that employing the inverted cross would be more so, considering this is the symbol of a xians unworthiness to their cunt father.
I have quite a bot of tattoos and have a large non laveyan sigil of baphomet on my arm with an inverted cross burning atop. In order for someone to fully grasp the sheer mockery that this shows to xians and their father is beyond what you all are commenting about. This symbol is used along side the baphomet in many Theistic and or orthodox satanic rituals, and yes, is on tons of black metal albums. Whether or not it is a xian symbol, it has now become a pure mockery of xianity. People associate a cross with "christ" not peter. Therefore unless you are around a xian who is educated and you look like a fucking moron poser whose last attempt at being cool or thinking any symbol means you are showing allegiance towards Satan, I think it is safe to say crucifix or cross inverted same effect.
Stick an inverted crucifix in a xians face and they cringe, stick an inverted cross in a xians face and they cringe the same. It has become this way because we have made it so. The same as we use their own scripture and verses against them, we employ their symbols the same. People are uneducated, mainly xians, especially on their own religion. Most people have no idea who peter was or that an inverted cross was his home. So laugh at all who wear an inverted cross or choose to employ one. Instead of arguing in a forum over people who wear the symbol and how stupid they are; why don't you focus more energy on the war against xianity, because at the end of the day it will not matter what any of you say, you will be enslaved for wearing anything other than an upright cross and kneeling to suck the ever flowing cock of "god".
The best tactic in the world to gain the pain of someone else is to use everything they know against them. Wear an upright cross to a church get together while picketing outside to display your distaste for their dogmatic propagandist right hand path bullshit. These people are parasites, and to wear any symbol they recognize as holy while you emanate what they consider to be "pure evil" is better than 20 million inverted crucifixes.
When a man lies he murders some part of the world, these are the pale deaths which men miscall their lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer ... cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? 6 6 6
This is just a quick lesson for all you young evil doers.
After meeting quite a few of you at the recent "Cocke" gigs i was quite amazed at the amount of you wearing inverted crosses and not an inverted crucifix.
With an upside down crucifix you have a satanic symbol, the purpose is to invert its meaning, to desecrate its meaning.
The exception of course the upside down cross, which is a Christian symbol used to denote Peter and his crucifixtion. Peter was crucified upside down as he did not believe he was worthy enough to be crucified right side up like his Lord Jesus so he asked to be crucified upside down.
As a resullt, the Church has used the upside down cross to designate Peter, not Christ. The papal throne (the popes chair) has an upside down cross engraved in it as a symbol reminding one of Peter's humility and death.
Unlike an upside down crucifix, there is nothing satanic about an upside down cross. It is infact a very Christian symbol.
So remember next time you purchase ask for one with a nazarene on it.
You know it makes sense.
This is a matter of personal belief honestly. If they reject the Christian dogma, blasphemy has no "rules" to them. An inverted Jesus is just as blasphemous as an upside-down cross because they don't believe in Jesus, Peter, YHWH, etc.. To someone else who DOES believe in the dogma, they will reference Peter's crucifixion.
And I always thought it was silly and childish, almost akin to punk rock's angst, when people would wear pendants pertaining to Baphomet or an inverted cross/crucifix to gigs without understanding the religion or the symbols they are wearing...
Re: The inverted Cross. A lesson. « Reply #70 on Jun 18, 2009, 1:51am »
That's I wanted say on this forum. You're quite right
Wearing accessories of inverted cross or crucifix, something blasphemy doesn't really show personal thoughts. Because, many people think they look evil and Satanic but, which is made by fashion. Then, I don't wear any stupid accessory like that. To praise Satan comes from hatred, anger, misanthropy, darkness and depression.
Now, for me Satanism is just as personal belief to protect my mind from other religion's illusion. But, I don't make any condemnation on religions in the world and care about what they believe... well, if they do something to me I'm going to be agnostic person No God No Satan, they are long living antagonists.
Re: The inverted Cross. A lesson. « Reply #71 on Jun 18, 2009, 5:28am »
I very much understand the language barrier you're dealing with and by no means am I trying to pick on your personal beliefs, but hold one just one second.
Quote:
Jesus fucking Christ is not only enemy for lord Satan, there are too many wasted religions in the world which believe gods
Do you understand how contradicting that sounds? You're not only approving the theistic character Jesus Christ*, but also speaking of "Lord Satan" in context of satanism, thus making satanism sound like a theistic religion.
Quote:
To praise Satan comes from hatred, anger, misanthropy, darkness and depression.
What? If by "Satan" you're once again meaning satanism, the way I see it; none of those characteristics are connected with satanism. Well, perhaps misantrophy possibly is. I don't really know, and quite frankly don't care either.
To support the phrase I said at the very beginning, I do not categorize myself into any religions, or outlooks on life. I have merely looked into satanism in the manner of sophisticating myself. Though I'm somewhat untolerant towards false adaptations of words. So I apologize for that.
*I guess there's nothing wrong with that if it happens to be one's belief. However, taking the common attitude towards theistic beliefs in this forum, I found that statement somewhat odd.
Re: The inverted Cross. A lesson. « Reply #72 on Jun 18, 2009, 8:47pm »
I also have to apologize you all too, because my statements have many mistakes. Like I said in above called Lord Satan was totally failed, I really dont want make it religiousness.
Well, I'm not completely understanding what Satanism stands for something. If someone knows how should I be, tell me or I'll try to find myself.
You know there is building called Church of Satan which is created by Anton LaVey, I think this is kind of religion that lots of people signed for whatever... I hate that thing anyway
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